dose this work or a scam

[cossie]

http://plugandsave.com/ here is the web site in question i have googled it and not much info on it some say it works others dont can you help out please

[Nyla]

It's a bunch of baloney. You can't just plug something into an outlet inside the house and magically use less electricity. Let's be generous and assume it works as described in the FAQ, which is, essentially, it captures and stores any excess surges for later use. For such a device to even cause a measurable difference, you would have to have a stunning number of surges and spikes. If you live in a mildly developed country, the chances of you having power that shaky is small. There's no way you would actually see a 20-40% difference in your bill. Also, notice it only works on the circuit you are plugged into.

Our PowerSaver works on the circuit you plug it into.

Your home or office will often have more than one circuit. A quick way to check is to open your circuit panel and count the number of switches or "circuit breakers". Each circuit will have it's own circuit breaker.

By the time you spring for one of these devices for every circuit breaker in your breaker box, you're going to need a huge reduction on your power bill to make it worthwhile. And one of the "articles" I found proclaiming how fantastic these devices says they last for four years. So, figure you're going to have to repurchase every four years. Still sound like a good deal? At at least $149 per unit?

Let's say you have a small house and need four of these things and you do manage to eke out 20% reduction of your bills. You're going to have to wait however long it would normally take you to spend more than $2000 on your electricity before you've managed to make a return on the units. That's to say nothing of the shipping and handling, taxes, and any other charges.

Besides, people far smarter about such things have pointed out they're totally unproven. One of the most straightforward, authoritative scientific explanations from a trusted source is here.

http://energystar.custhelp.com/cgi-b...ted=1204908170



If you want to cut your electric bills, power off and/or unplug things that aren't in use. Many small appliances still draw power even if they are off but still plugged in (especially battery or cell phone chargers). That's free. Your best bet for cutting energy bills in general for small investments are improving insulation, removing drafts and installing a programmable thermostat that can keep the air conditioning/heating off while you are away and kick it on in time to reach a comfortable temperature by the time you return home.

[PlugAndSave]

Thanks Cossie and Nyla for your interest in Plug and Save.

I hope you don't mind me contributing here, but as the director of Plug and Save I want to make sure you get a more balanced answer than 'It's a bunch of Baloney'.

Originally Posted by Nyla

It's a bunch of baloney. You can't just plug something into an outlet inside the house and magically use less electricity. Let's be generous and assume it works as described in the FAQ, which is, essentially, it captures and stores any excess surges for later use. For such a device to even cause a measurable difference, you would have to have a stunning number of surges and spikes. If you live in a mildly developed country, the chances of you having power that shaky is small. There's no way you would actually see a 20-40% difference in your bill.

Well you can't blame me for taking exception to your first line Nyla however a lot of what you write is reasonably correct. I think though that you're confusing the idea of a power surge and a power spike. Power spikes are reasonable small and occur very regularly in all types of circuits. It is more pronounced in developing countries which does see high savings of 20-40% but generally for clients in the USA, Europe and Australia savings average about 15% - as you'll see from our site.

Originally Posted by Nyla

Also, notice it only works on the circuit you are plugged into. By the time you spring for one of these devices for every circuit breaker in your breaker box, you're going to need a huge reduction on your power bill to make it worthwhile.

We certainly don't encourage a person to purchase one unit per circuit - that would be very uneconomical. Instead we offer a choice of 4 units. The smallest two units are recommended to use per-circuit and they're bought by clients who have particular circuits that consume more electricity than average. I use a Powersaver Unit F in my office as we operate a lot of electronics here. Others use similar units in their living rooms, kitchens or offices too.

Our larger 2 units are designed to be connected to the entire circuit of a house. You only need one of these and they do save energy on every circuit.

Originally Posted by Nyla

And one of the "articles" I found proclaiming how fantastic these devices says they last for four years.

That's not one of our articles. I think you've confused this with a cheaper product. There's no reason at all to think these products should last less than 10 years. There are other powersaving devices out there and, much to our frustration, not all of them are very useful. Please don't tar us with the same brush.

Originally Posted by Nyla

Besides, people far smarter about such things have pointed out they're totally unproven.

I can provide proof. This isn't a particularly new concept of powersavings. There are many reports online proving these PowerSavers work. Get in touch though our website and I can send links and documents.

And ... if you're still unsure ...

How about this ... Just place an order with us, pay through PayPal and fund the order with a credit card (this gives you protection from two separate companies) and also mention 'Fraudwatchers Refund Guarantee' in the comments section on the last page of the order form.

If you do this you'll have complete protection on your order and I'll personally make sure that if you're not happy with your order for any reason, and that you return it back to us without it being tampered with, I'll refund you for your outbound postage cost as well.

I'm not here to start a discussion but if you'd like to speak with me, please get in touch via our site.

Thanks for your time,

Martin
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[Nyla]

Originally Posted by PlugAndSave

Europe and Australia savings average about 15% - as you'll see from our site.

Actually, no need to thank me for my interest, because I have zero interest in what you're selling.

I'll point out again, the U.S. Department of Energy completely disagrees with your site's claims. There is zero data to support it.

http://energystar.custhelp.com/cgi-b...ted=1204908170

Power factor correction devices improve power quality but do not generally improve energy efficiency (meaning they won't reduce your energy bill). There are several reasons why their energy efficiency claims could be exaggerated. First, residential customers are not charged for KVA-hour usage, but by kilowatt-hour usage. This means that any savings in energy demand will not directly result in lowering a residential user's utility bill. Second, the only potential for real power savings would occur if the product were only put in the circuit while a reactive load (such as a motor) were running, and taken out of the circuit when the motor is not running. This is impractical, given that there are several motors in a typical home that can come on at any time (refrigerator, air conditioner, HVAC blower, vacuum cleaner, etc.), but the unit itself is intended for permanent, unattended connection near the house breaker panel.

That's not one of our articles.

Correct. It's not. It's an article by Energystar. Energystar is is a joint program of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Department of Energy

I think you've confused this with a cheaper product.

I think you've confused two non-commercial government agencies with a competitor.

Your webstore claims to sell a device that will save an outrageous percentage on energy bills by improving/correcting power factor. Two government agencies that don't directly sell anything state that such devices do not save money on electric bills, at best, they can improve power quality. Somehow, I find the Energy Star assessment a lot more believable.

[PlugAndSave]

Thanks for at least taking the time to publicize a product you're not interested in.

Please PM me your contact details and I'll show you what proofs we have.