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Is Elicoco Trading Co a fraud?

[Frau Chin]

1. Frau Chin's Alert List 09 < Ele - Ez >
229 Elicoco Trading Co., Ltd.

2. Banned Paid Members on Alibaba.com(August)31 Aug 2010 ... Elicoco Trading Co., Ltd. China, Gold Supplier. Ever Bright Opto-Electronics Co., Ltd. Hongkong, Gold Supplier ...
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3. banned_paid_members_2010-08_百度文库16 Nov 2010 ... Company Name Alico Trading Co., Ltd. Anxi County Chengguan ... Ltd. Ebayson Trading Co., Ltd. Elicoco Trading Co., Ltd. Ever Bright ...
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[aminlv]

hi guys,

i wonder if this company is scammer or no!
i didnt find any thing can conclude they are scam or no i really appreciate if can clarify if have any clue about this.

http://ducechem.com
they gave me this info as well but i cant find any place to enter their company reg number to check it out

1 Registration Number of Company: 130100000335958
2 Registration Date : 06/11/2010
3 Country of Registration: China
4 Type of Company : private shares
5 Type of ownership private corporation
6 Any abbreviation for company name if existing: In order to avoid the confusion with other companies, we do not make a abbreviation .Please understand.
7 Company Activities: manufacturing and exporting chemical raw material ,chemical products (except dangerous poisonous chemicals ),including HDPE/LDPE/PP and so on .

phone numbers: +86-311-89636949

thanks again once more

[Dodobird]

Hello aminlv,

While they don't appear to be your typical Chinese scam, their website was setup last November for one year only, which is one of the red flags that needs to be looked for. I can't find any type of comment relating to them other than that.

http://whois.domaintools.com/ducechem.com

That the company is registered doesn't mean much, as these can scam you as well. What I would suggest is that you hire due diligence services to conduct a search for you. You'll find help by contacting your own embassy in Beijing, which most probably has a commercial section. In the meanwhile, here is an article on the other type of scam B2B buyers may encounter in China;

http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...w_scammedchina

[aminlv]

Originally Posted by Dodobird

Hello aminlv,

While they don't appear to be your typical Chinese scam, their website was setup last November for one year only, which is one of the red flags that needs to be looked for. I can't find any type of comment relating to them other than that.

http://whois.domaintools.com/ducechem.com

That the company is registered doesn't mean much,.......

thanks dodo

well wise man said once if you don't want experience everything your self ask experienced ones,

sure i will contact our embassy thou peoples experience and advice mostly faster & easier to share.

if i find anything on embassy commerce section about this company i let you know thanks again thou for checking up

[ajmidero]

Hi everybody, I just want to tell my bad experience trying to buy products from China to start a new and small business, I found a Company on TradeKey.com, named "TIANGYING Electronic Trading Co., Ltd" website: http://www.tiangyingmei.com/, so I started communicating by email with the supposedly "Sales Person" whose name is "Anna Zhang", after a week of emailing to each other and talking by phone, based on the profile that they have on TradeKey where they are showed as a Gold Member Company for 2 years and with 500 points so I decided to buy the products from this company, she explained me the process to start building a business relationship with them also the way to start processing my order of different Models of Blackberry Cell Phones and Laptops for a total amount of $13,000.00, she also explained the method of payment that the company accepted which it was Wire Transfer and Western Union, I decided to do it by a Bank Transfer so she gave me the following information: T/T (Wire Transfer) via bank, BENEFICIARY INSTITUTION: Bank of China, First Name: XIAOYAN, Last Name: LI, Account: 6216612600000720956, Swift Code：BKCH CN BJ 480, Address: NanChang City , JiangXi Province, China. I trusted her and I made the wire transfer for $13.000.00, once I notified her that the transfer was made and emailed her a copy of it, she emailed back to inform me that once the transfer was cleared they will ship my goods by UPS and that I will receive it between 3 to 5 days. I emailed and called her so many time after that, and she was keep on saying that they had not received the money yet so I went to my Bank and emailed her again with all the information including the day that the money was withdrawn, she never got back to me again and everything I called her she hung up the phone. I started a search on Internet (of course it was too late, I should do it before sending the money) and I have found out that the named "XIAOYAN LI" is the same beneficiary of at least 3 different companies, working with different names and webpages, those companies are:

1.- http://www.dejihuiy.com/ DEJI Electronic technology Trading Co., Ltd
2.- http://www.tairankey.com/ Tairan High Technology electronics Co., LTD
3.- http://www.tiangyingmei.com/ TIANGYING Electronic Trading Co., Ltd

And all of them, created and registered under the same IP Address 173.252.205.190, as you can verify checking out these links:

1.- http://whois.domaintools.com/dejihuiy.com
2.- http://whois.domaintools.com/tairankey.com
3.- http://whois.domaintools.com/tiangyingmei.com

I'm pretty sure that I have been scammed for those criminal and that I will not get my money back neither my goods but I just want to be aware everybody of what have happened to me to avoid those people keep on taking money from others who trust them, so PLEASE AVOID BUYING FROM THESE COMPANIES and report any fraud until they get catch by the Police and send to jail.

I have all the documents and records of all the emails to support what I have stated on this site.

[Dodobird]

Originally Posted by ajmidero

I decided to do it by a Bank Transfer so she gave me the following information:
T/T (Wire Transfer) via bank,
BENEFICIARY INSTITUTION: Bank of China,
First Name: XIAOYAN,
Last Name: LI,
Account: 6216612600000720956,
Swift Code：BKCH CN BJ 480,
Address: NanChang City , JiangXi Province, China.

http://whois.domaintools.com/dejihuiy.com

http://whois.domaintools.com/tairankey.com

http://whois.domaintools.com/tiangyingmei.com

PLEASE AVOID BUYING FROM THESE COMPANIES and report any fraud until they get catch by the Police and send to jail.

I have all the documents and records of all the emails to support what I have stated on this site.

Hello ajmidero and welcome to Fraudwatchers!

I'm afraid that you have been scammed, as these sites show all the red flags, beginning with brand names at cheap prices and ending with bogus site registrations. As you've seen, I edited "slightly" the information you posted, as Frau Chin and Mr. Google enjoy plenty of details on scammers.

I understand how helpless you must be feeling at this moment and am truly impressed that you're taking the time to dig out the other companies you could find, as well as to post them to alert others. Thank you for doing this from all of our users, as you're at least giving someone else the chance to find the information before it's too late.

Unfortunately, the chance of you recovering your money is next to none, or at least would cost much more than what was lost for you to fly to China, hire a lawyer and bring this to prosecution. But there are other avenues where you may at least file formal complaints, the first of which would be the FBI's cybercrime division;

http://www.ic3.gov

I would also consider sending in by fax a formal complaint with all the relevant documents proving the transaction to the Chinese embassy in Washington, as well as a copy to the Embassy of the United States in Beijing. They do have a commercial section and at the very least, may add these companies to their lists of scams.

[aminlv]

i wonder if they really sent to jail!
as far as i know fbi have no jurstication on china what so ever! and it get even worse! who you wanna find that scam dude its like for exam Lee family in china over 200mil ppl with same name lol!

well i think if china government in long run don't think about this kinda of scamming step by step lose interest of buyers

[Dodobird]

Aminlv,

The FBI report is for an official report of the fraud and for statistical purposes. Of course they don't have jurisdiction in China.

[Frau Chin]

Originally Posted by Dodobird

Hello ajmidero and welcome to Fraudwatchers!

... As you've seen, I edited "slightly" the information you posted, as Frau Chin and Mr. Google enjoy plenty of details on scammers.

Yes ajmidero, you did a beautiful report on "TIANGYING Electronic Trading Co., Ltd" and "XIAOYAN LI". I will include those particulars in my Lists' next updates.

The FBI report is for an official report of the fraud and for statistical purposes.

Yes Dodo. And I can proudly say Fraudwatchers is the best reference site for fraud. I know because I have visited a lot of sites to collect scam info and do feel very sad and sorry to read their posts. Its more like a place to vent frustration and anger, looking for pity and help from other readers. On the other hand, posters here, whether victims or not did give a lot of information of confirmed or potential scam-sites. This surely helps readers to avoid being scammed, and myself too.

Where else can we find advice and help as responsive as here, from the support team, participants, members, even unregistered guests. Let us keep up the good work. We have to be intelligent to fight the scammers, and we have to help each other.

Here's something for us to ponder...

In China, it costs about USD 3000-10000 if you want to recover your money through a lawyer. Investigation fees are not included in the said quotation.
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[Frau Chin]

Originally Posted by aminlv

i wonder if they really sent to jail!
as far as i know fbi have no jurstication on china what so ever! and it get even worse! who you wanna find that scam dude its like for exam Lee family in china over 200mil ppl with same name lol!

well i think if china government in long run don't think about this kinda of scamming step by step lose interest of buyers

Let us just talk about one man (if it is really one man) called "li li", the registrant for DEJIHUIY.COM, TAIRANKEY.COM, TIANGYINGMEI.COM right in this thread...

Do you know: "li li" owns about 16,904 other domains
And he is from Putian, Fujian

[silimpex]

Please help to get genuine seller .All I met are fake.What happend?:thanks a lot

[mysteryquest]

Originally Posted by silimpex

Please help to get genuine seller .All I met are fake.What happend?:thanks a lot

Making recommendations or assisting in finding legitimate companies is not something we do here. I would suggest that you retain a firm perform due diligence for you.

[Pangeu]

Now it's late

The following registration information:

（1）Western Union：
First Name: WENCAI
Last Name:ZHENG
Address: Nanchang City Jiangxi Province CHINA

（2）T/T (Wire Transfer) via bank:
BANK OF CHINA REMITTANCE:
BENEFICIARY INSTITUTION: BANK OF CHINA JIANGXI BRANCH
First Name:WENCAI
Last Name: ZHENG
Account Number : 191701150227
SWIFT Code：BKCHCNBJ550
Address: Sub-branch,BeiHu, NanChang City, JianXi, CHINA

[RCL100]

Hello,


We are a chemical distribution company based in England. In November 2010 we ordered 60mts worth of product from a company called Tianjin Kaifendge Import and Export. When the product arrived it was in a terrible condition and turns out that it is not the product that we ordered but a combination of waste material and a different product called Sodium Sulphate (which is about $350/mt cheaper than Sodium Percarbonate which we ordered). After conducting some research on google I came across a complaint that another company had put on a website about this company as well. We are currently at the stage of deciding whether to take the company to arbitration, etc… It seems that they have a website and are still advertising products all over the web on many different sites that are similar to alibaba.com. If you can offer any assistance at all it would be greatly appreciated.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Many thanks

[Dodobird]

RCL100,

Please post their entire contact details. Without those, it's difficult for us to identify the company you were in contact with.

[Dawn111]

Hello,
would you please add the following company to your list:

Huahong Technology Co.,Ltd
Office address:24E ,Flat A , Huaqiang Garden , Fuhong Road ,Futian district , Shenzhen
Tel:0755-83741043
Fax: 0755-88018839
Cell:0086-13728684685
Contact Person: Ms. Ava Zeng
Email/MSN: usbhah.ava@hotmail.com

we placed two orders about USB-Drives at this company and both times they sent us upgraded/faked chips.
The first order was about B-Grade USB-Drives but with full capacity and the second about A-Grade USB-Drives (of course the USB-Drives in the second order were much more expensive).
They send us rubbish both times - the USB-Drives couldn't store more than 512 MB so they were useless for us.
Now we're trying to contact them without success.
Watch out for this scammer !!!

[ozetrade]

Hello Frau Chin,

I'd like to report the seller Hai201011 on the www.DHGATE.com website as selling fakes. I recently bought 2x 32GB SD cards as samples, but when tested, it was found they were not 32GB cards but 2GB made to look like 32GB. Fortunately my potential lost is only about $33, but I am attempting to get full refund through Paypal as DHGATE are insisting I negotiate through the seller.

The following is my attempts to get refund with the PAYPAL Resolution Center.

17/06/2011 13:17 AEST - PayPal: Buyer escalated this dispute to a Claim.
17/06/2011 13:17 AEST - Buyer: The people at DHGATE don't seem to understand that the seller has sold me fake memory cards. The memory cards are branded LEXAR and MEMORETTE, both claimed to be 32GB. I had problems with them retaining data so I had them tested. The test results showed that the cards were actually only 2GB made to look like 32GB. The seller intially offered a 50% refund which I refused. I demanded a full refund including shipping, but he will only refund cost of goods, not shipping. By the time I add shipping costs to return the fake goods, I will have spent more that what I paid for the goods in the first place. My stand is that they are fakes and I should get a full refund including the original shipping cost because the goods were purchased based on misleading information provided by the seller. If necessary and can supply screen captures of the testing done that will show the memory cards are fake.Regards
16/06/2011 19:13 AEST - Seller: Dear OZETRADE.NET, please kindly cooperate with the seller, then we could refund you according to your final solution.kind regards
16/06/2011 11:36 AEST - Buyer: This has been asked of the seller and he agreed to refund, but he wants me to return the fake goods at my expense. By the time I do that, I will have spent more on shipping than the goods are worth. Because these are fake, I should get a full refund including shipping, and I should throw away the fake goods so he cannot resell to some else.
14/06/2011 13:16 AEST - Seller: We could arrange the refund to you when you and the seller all agreed to this resolution. Thanks for your understanding.

I am looking for a seller that can supply "No Brand" SD cards with genuine memory size, and it's proving to be a difficult task.

This situation led me to look for sites just like Fraud Wathchers where I could check to see if a seller had been reported. The work you have done here is fantastic, but because your lists are so extensive, reading through the lists takes forever when looking for particular details.

Can I suggest that you provide links to downloadable XL speadsheets in the first post. These would be far easier to search through. You would not need to continually update your list in this forum, but just upload the updated list(s), that way the forum could focus on reporting scammers.

I do hope you find my suggestion useful and look forward to utilising and suppoting this valuable service.

OZ

[Dodobird]

Originally Posted by ozetrade

Can I suggest that you provide links to downloadable XL speadsheets in the first post. These would be far easier to search through. You would not need to continually update your list in this forum, but just upload the updated list(s), that way the forum could focus on reporting scammers.

I do hope you find my suggestion useful and look forward to utilising and suppoting this valuable service.

OZ

Hello Ozetrade and thank you for taking the time to post this information. Unfortunately, we cannot do anything to help you to resolve this issue, just as we cannot provide you with a list of approved sellers, as this would be in direct contradiction to what we are dedicated to; educating against fraud and helping to detect them.

While your suggestion to Frau Chin has merit, it lacks one major component. If this list is updated on XL and not published, the names and information of scammers will not be picked up by Mr. Google, our friend. In turn, it makes so that people like you are not warned in due time about a scam, which is most important.

May I suggest that you make friends with Google as well? You will quickly find that searching for a name, a website, an email, telephone numbers or even an address can yield incredible results? Changing the format of a telephone number and using quotation marks around your search terms also improves effectiveness of this search. If the entity is a scam, it's bound to lead you directly to an antifraud site or complaint review.

[ozetrade]

Originally Posted by Dodobird

Hello Ozetrade and thank you for taking the time to post this information. Unfortunately, we cannot do anything to help you to resolve this issue, just as we cannot provide you with a list of approved sellers, as this would be in direct contradiction to what we are dedicated to; educating against fraud and helping to detect them.

That's OK Dodobird, I wasn't actually seeking help; just providing some info so others can see how easy it is to get caught, and show people how useless it can be to try and seek help from sites like DHGATE. I have bought many items from DHGATE without issue, but this time I got caught out.

Originally Posted by Dodobird

While your suggestion to Frau Chin has merit, it lacks one major component. If this list is updated on XL and not published, the names and information of scammers will not be picked up by Mr. Google, our friend. In turn, it makes so that people like you are not warned in due time about a scam, which is most important.

You are right in what you say, but I still believe that downloadable XL speadsheets could be added to make searching a lot easier.

Originally Posted by Dodobird

May I suggest that you make friends with Google as well? You will quickly find that searching for a name, a website, an email, telephone numbers or even an address can yield incredible results? Changing the format of a telephone number and using quotation marks around your search terms also improves effectiveness of this search. If the entity is a scam, it's bound to lead you directly to an antifraud site or complaint review.

I have utilised all the information provided on this website many times over the last few days. Company checks through Yellow Pages, Whois Lookups, Google searchs, email and phone No. checks etc. It has helped me filter a list of 100+ suppliers from various B2B and supplier sites, down to 3-4 genuine suppliers -a long and arduous task, but I feel confident now I am dealing with genuine suppliers. It's amazing how easy it is to pick a con when you know what your looking for.

So I thank all contributers in this forum; without your input, I'd still be struggling.

OZ